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[投影机] JVC HD1(RS-1)二手价格?确切说 12000元收一台 JVC RS-1 值不值?

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想买一台JVC HD1(RS-1)二手价格的大概多少?

[ 本帖最后由 enki 于 2011-5-13 20:55 编辑 ]
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-13 20:55 | 显示全部楼层
确切说 12000元收一台 JVC RS-1 值不值?
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发表于 2011-5-14 21:36 | 显示全部楼层
这要看灯光时间才能定,毕竟已经四年半前的机器了

[ 本帖最后由 坛论家电 于 2011-5-14 21:37 编辑 ]
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-14 22:37 | 显示全部楼层
灯泡是新的没用多少小时
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-14 22:39 | 显示全部楼层

回复 3# 坛论家电 的帖子

灯泡是新换的没用几百多少小时
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-14 22:42 | 显示全部楼层
后续的JVC机器HD350基本上是RS-1的改进型,对比度提高到25000-30000。支持HDMI 1.3  亮度提高到1000。 美国HD350 就叫RS10。
RS1-RS10(HD350)区别其实很小,反而HD100(RS2,HD750)是一个档次,如果 能差不多价钱,选择买二手RS2,还是RS10(HD350)?毫不犹豫买RS2

Both components - the better black levels, and the slightly better final color (I'm really big on accurate skin tones, and black level performance), I do believe is more than enough justification for spending for the RS20/HD750, but, of course, that's a big chunk of extra money.  So, my general answer to you is - that - if you can truly appreciate the picture quality of the RS10/HD350, and if the RS20/HD750 doesn't break the bank, that you will definitely be able to appreciate the more expensive JVC.  I come from personally owning an RS1, and while the RS10 is slightly better, they are extremely similar.  To me, moving from RS1 to RS20 is a significant improvement that I fully enjoy and appreciate.

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发表于 2011-5-15 09:58 | 显示全部楼层
我不知道型号的对应关系,06年底推出HD1的时候,它比DLP的机器大幅提高了鲜艳度,比穿透型LCD提高了不少对比度,一下将固定型像素的单枪机和三枪机的距离拉近了一大步,特别是当时这个对比度让不少人对单枪机一下改变了看法,树立了JVC的单枪机地位,这些光芒却掩盖了HD1的最要命缺点:锐度太差,直观感觉就是这机器聚焦不良。07年底推出了HD100除了再提高了对比度也改良了锐度,但还是没彻底改善。一直到08年底的HD750,这才来了个耳目一新的翻身,当然到09年底的HD950才能说完美(主要是图像的稳定度)。所以你现在要买回二手的HD1或者HD100是不明智的,肯定会以为是二手机的聚焦问题,其实新机就是如此了。我不知道现在二手的HD750什么价位,如果只是比HD1贵几千元,那就不用考虑直接上750了,你不会后悔的,它只是在图像的稳定度方面比HD950差一点,对比度你没作对比也是会满意的。还有就是现在二手的HD1还要12000吗?
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-15 10:18 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢楼上,我是要从美国买一台RS-1。
HD1=RS-1 ?有说RS-1是专业版。 美国测评,
Home Theater Projector Reviews:
JVC DLA-RS1 1080p LCOS Projector: Summary, Pros, Cons
JVC DLA-RS1
Image Quality
General Performance
Warranty
Summary, Pros, Cons
Outstanding!
The JVC RS1 has me sold. Of the six 1080p projectors reviewed so far, I consider the RS1 to be the best overall projector.
The reason the RS1 is exceptional, is its image quality. None of the other projectors come close to matching its black levels or shadow detail. The result is the most eye-popping movie watching I have enjoyed yet.
To read about the new up-and-coming JVC projectors, check out our blog.
Even the SIM2 C3X, my old favorite (a $20,000 3 chip 720p projector), may not surpass the dynamic look when watching movies, despite the C3X being at least twice as bright. I haven't yet had a chance to review the $50,000 SIM2 top of the line 1080p 3 chip DLP projector, nor the competition from Runco/Vidikron (with similarly stratospheric prices), nor have I had any of the premium priced single chip 1080p projectors from SIM2, Runco/Vidikron, Digital Projection or Projection Design. I would certainly hope those high priced 3 chip DLP 1080p projectors outperform the RS1. Of the those premium brand single chip 1080p DLP projectors, even the least expensive of these is several thousand dollars more, and I'm not sure there any reason to expect those single chip DLP's to actually surpass the JVC. I am, however trying to get them in for review, to find out).

It's not just about the "wow factor", of rich, dynamic colors, but also the fact that the color accuracy is excellent, the imagery is very natural looking, and that there really aren't any major issues that impact enjoyment or performance.
Everything I watched on HD-DVD and Blue-Ray looked great, and so were old fashioned standard DVDs. HDTV was also tremendous. I must admit to barely watching standard television. I generally consider the quality of standard TV to be so poor on a large screen, that the difference between projectors is pretty much the difference between lousy, and poor. As a result, personally, I don't see how performance on standard TV should be a real part of the projector selection process, certainly not for a projector in this price range, where people are primarly concerned with how good it looks on high quality sources.

That said, I better mention again, that the RS1 was great even on standard DVDs (such as the image above).
That's not to say the JVC DLA-RS1 is perfect. It has, like every other reviewed projector, it has a couple of limitations, and weaknesses. Those however are likely to be issues only to a small percentage of the potential buyers out there.
What could be changed to make it more perfect? Really only a few things:
1. HDMI 1.3 support for accepting more than 24 bit color. Tthe RS1 can handle the larger color palettes through its component video port for those who must have full 10bit per channel color.
2. It could be brighter in brightest mode, although it is exceptionally bright in its best mode.
3. More Aspect ratio control in 16:9, including support for 3rd party anamorphic lenses (for those wanting true Cinemascope 2.35:1 aspect ratio without letterbox. (That usually calls for very expensive multi-masking motorized screens - they can cost up to $10,000). I did pop in one standard DVD (I can't recall which anymore), that has an odd aspect ratio setup, and the RS1 could only fill the screen with the Zoom aspect ratio, which cropped part of the image.
4. It could be quieter, but that is probably only a serious issue for those needing the High Altitude setting who want to run in full (High) power lamp mode.
5. No analog PC input for hooking up your computer. To do so, there are 3rd party solutions that can convert to HDMI.
If none of these have scared you off, and the price is in your range, you should be out looking for the nearest JVC dealer.
That pretty much covers the most significant issues. There are minor ones as well, such as only having two HDMI ports.

How does the JVC stack up - head to head with it's competition? I've said so much within the review, that I'll keep this short:
JVC RS1 vs Sony VW50 Pearl:
I was extremely impressed with the Sony Pearl - the last 1080p projector I reviewed, both picture quality, and price performance. The Sony has the price advantage, and it can muster up more lumens (approaching 20%) in brightest mode, but isn't as bright in best mode. The Sony has excellent black levels, and until the JVC, I considered it the best in that regard. However, even the Sony falls way short of the JVC in black levels and in a fully darkened room, its not hard at all, to see the extra shadow detail the JVC provides. Ultimately, the JVC has the better picture quality, and I believe, is the slightest bit sharper.
The Sony has motorized lens shift, zoom and focus - always a nice touch. The Sony's big strengths by comparison to the JVC are: Lower cost, and the ability to support anamorphic lenses for Cinemascope without letter box. (The latter is probably an issue for no more than 1 or 2% of potential owners. The Sony is definitely quieter.

(How impressive is the enlarged version of this image above from the DTS disk? -art)
JVC RS1 vs Optoma HD81and BenQ W10000:
The Optoma can crank out a lot more lumens when you need them for sports in rooms with modest ambient lighting. It's outboard processor (Gennum processing, like the RS1) offers oodles (I had to put that in here) of inputs. On the other hand, the Optoma is slightly more expensive (street price), has very limited placement flexibility due to a 1.2:1 zoom (vs 2:1), and no lens shift. The Optoma HD81 produces an excellent, and very sharp image, but the JVC, although not quite as razor sharp, overall produces a much more impressive overall image. The Optoma's black levels and shadow detail, though both good, come up short.
The BenQ W10000 has placement flexibility almost as good as the JVC in terms of lens shift, but only a 1.15 zoom lens. Fortunately it's pretty long throw, so rear shelf mounting is possible for some. Image quality issues are about the same as the Optoma, so score one for the RS1.
The BenQ does have one cool trick however, it supports Picture in Picture, and Picture On Picture (two images side by side) even though one has to be "low res" (S-video or composite). It also has that extra year warranty.
JVC RS1 vs. Panasonic PT-AE1000U:
Both projectors have totally invisible pixel structures at any normal seating distance. The Panasonic PT-AE1000u, is the bargain of the 1080p set, with a $3995 MAP price and a $400 rebate, so its thousands less. The Panasonic is no match for the JVC in black levels, shadow detail or overall eye-popping image quality. At barely half the price, however, still most impressive. The Panasonic can't match the brightness of the JVC in high quality modes.

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JVC RS1 vs Mitsubishi HC5000:
The HC5000 has the most visible pixel structure, (barely detectable at close/normal seating on white areas, and credits) and in part, that is probably why it produces what seems to be the sharpest image. Whether it resolves more detail, I don't know but it looks "razor sharp". The Mitsubishi HC5000, like the Panasonic, can't come close to the JVC in brightness in best modes. The Mitsubishi, although not as inexpensive as the Panasonic PT-AE1000U is still almost $2000 less than the JVC on the street, and is a great "out of the box" projector, especially for the money.

Are things really that bleak for the RS1's competition?
Although it sounds like it, the answer is, no, not really. First of all, understand that the thing that really sets the JVC apart is it's black levels and natural, high contrast. That is ultimately what really creates that wow factor, the rich deep colors, etc. In my theater room (which still has off white walls (a few more months), I can even see how the white walls slightly degrade the overall image.
And that leads to the main point. If even light from the image on the screen, reflecting back off of the walls, can slightly degrade the image, consider what impact having even minimal ambient lighting, like side wall sconces, or even some tiny little 20 watt lamp in the back of the room that doesn't even face the screen, will have.
The JVC stands out in ideal theater room conditions. Any ambient light is going to start diluting that high contrast, and wipe out the deepest shadow details. Of course it does this to any projector, its just that the JVC is so good, that it is affected by the least amount of ambient light. Even as you introduce some ambient light, it should still have the advantage on other projectors, but the amount of advantage will dimish significantly. If you want modest ambient light for sports for example, you probably will have wiped out just about all of the difference that makes the RS1 so good at what it does, and in such a case, you likely would prefer a different, brighter projector.

Time to consider the projector's overall aspects.
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  • Overall, eye-popping rich images, with tremendous "wow factor", and lots of saturation, including almost amazing performance on dark intense colors
  • "Blackest" black levels of any projector reviewed to date
  • A natural "15,000:1 contrast ratio, without needing a dynamic iris
  • Superb shadow detail (best to date).
  • Excellent grayscale "color" temperature consistancy over IRE range (from white to very dark grays)
  • Above average brightness in "best" (Cinema) mode
  • Extremely good out of the box performance
  • Wide range zoom lens for great placement flexibility
  • Vertical and Horizontal lens shift with exceptional range for great placement flexibility
  • Neutral grays for black and white (such as the opening scenes from Phantom)
  • Really good remote control
  • Good menus
  • 2 HDMI inputs
  • 3 User savable settings
  • Good manual (better than most)
  • Lamp replacement without unmounting projector
  • Good looking unit
  • Overall ease of setup and use
  • Pure performance, and price performance
JVC DLA-RS1 Cons
  • Not very bright in "brightest" (Dynamic) mode
  • HDMI 1.2, not 1.3 (this is the first time I'm listing this in a review as an issue, now that there is one projector shipping with 1.3
  • Fan noise is a bit noisy in High Power, and definitely noisy in High Power - High Altitude mode
  • It could be just a touch sharper
  • Lacks some aspect ratio control in 16:9
  • No aspect ratio support for an anamorphic lens
  • Lacks a computer input (3rd party solutions exist through HDMI, for a couple/few hundred dollars)
  • No traditional overscan control (but Mask feature addresses the issue in a non-traditional manor.
  • Lamp life - on the low side: 2000 hours even in low power lamp mode.
  • No 12 volt screen trigger
JVC DLA-RS1 Typical Capabilities
  • Warranty (2 years parts/labor)
  • Noise levels overall; at quietest, on of the quieter projectors, at full power not as noisy as the loudest.
  • 3 User memory settings (more would be nice)
  • Number/type of Inputs
  • Sharpness
Summary:
Perhaps the most significant thing I can say about the JVC RS1, is that, as things stand right now, the RS1 is at the top of my list to replace my 720p BenQ PE8720 projector in my theater.
Although I haven't made my final decision, and may not for a few more weeks, I have no doubt that I will , thoroughly enjoy watching it in my own theater room, and be dazzled by it or a long time to come (a year or two - I do need to stay "current").

The JVC RS1 is certainly a great projector for movie "purists" on the hunt for the ultimate in picture quality. At the same time, it seems to look good on just about everything I have thrown at it. Even watching Boston Legal, or parts of the last Superbowl, which I have permanently stored in HDTV on my DVR, looked great!
Like other projectors, there are features (and therefore benefits), that could further improve it, such as those I mentioned (more brightnes in brightest mode, perhaps a slight bit sharper, etc.), but overall, the RS1 produces such an exceptional picture, that few will find reasons not to choose the RS1, if their budget allows.
In the past LCOS projectors (like LCD projectors) have never been known for particularly ood black levels, one reason why the Sony Pearl, for example, relies on a dynamic iris to generate excellent black levels. JVC, however, with the RS1 has apparently come up with a way to dramatically increase the contrast performance of the LCOS (D-ILA) chips.
The JVC DLA-RS1 not only earns our Hot Product Award, but seriously raises the bar, for future 1080p projectors. I would have to say, that had the RS1 been the first of the "affordable" 1080p home theater projectors to ship, instead of hitting the market about 5 months after the first (Optoma HD81), I suspect there would be a few less Hot Product Award 1080p projectors on this site.
Congratulations to the team at JVC, that developed the RS1, for bringing to market what I consider a breakthrough projector. It not only has exceptional performance, but manages to combine it with one of the most versatile projectors in terms of ergonomics and room placement. Although an expensive projector, it is worth every dollar!
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发表于 2011-5-15 10:25 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这机器现在还要12000就不值得了[s:97]
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-15 10:31 | 显示全部楼层
那你照你说JVC不到750都不值得买了,可大批粉丝还惦记着2万买HD350那!岂不更不值了?
HD350(RS-10)其实和RS-1 差别很小,美国网友都建议宁买二手RS-2(HD100)不买HD350,主要是JVC高低两档次高档的在色彩管理和黑位上的差别。。。。

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发表于 2011-5-15 10:36 | 显示全部楼层
但我也听说现在二手的HD750只是17000左右的价钱了[s:97]
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-15 10:40 | 显示全部楼层
HD750 17000? 是你梦里想接的价格吧? 听说?口说无凭?
你甩出一台来只要来路清楚没修过的我就接了,
或者把卖家连接发来也让JVC粉丝们欢喜一下
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发表于 2011-5-15 10:46 | 显示全部楼层
你以为这是房子黄金啊?说句不好听的只是一台大点的I疯[s:97]
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-15 11:01 | 显示全部楼层
楼上,说了半天你用什么投影呀?踩JVC可以你自己是什么用货色?JVC不是黄金房子,更不能当饭吃,值100元卖给你就值了[s:97] [s:97] [s:97]
等着吧JVC用家100元卖买你一台JVC 投影机。。。。。模型。

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楼主:你真的不厚道,我好心给意见你参考,你倒说我踩JVC,你反应太强烈了,看来你真是RS-1的卖家,呵呵[s:97] ,既然你说我用的什么机,告诉你吧,我用的就是HD750[s:97] ,我干嘛要踩它呢,我对它挺满意的,况且有机会我也想卖个好价钱啊,好换个X980[s:97] 。你以为二手机会很值钱吗,X380才3W,新机啊,况且是3D[s:97]
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