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[古典/交响乐/New Age] Chopin,几个版本的肖邦(12.12更新3)

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本帖最后由 livjonpink 于 2013-4-28 10:27 编辑

是公认的经典演绎,或是非一致公认但我自己喜欢的。

还有几个,星期天上传,Arrau的也没有上传完
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收到!:victory:

万分感激!
当一个男人遇到困难的时候,应该掏出自己的老二,凝视并冥思:
这货可大可小,能屈能伸;尝过美鲍,中过圈套;喷过别人,挨过口舌,上过山峰,也下过地狱。
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收到!

万分感激!

电驴上傅聪的夜曲,一个音轨有问题,另一个只有一个源,还不知道能不能下完。

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傅聪的版本,已经找到了。这个版本比较惊喜。  发表于 2011-12-2 10:07
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粉版在何处收集这么多肖邦,学生只有看的份了。
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本帖最后由 livjonpink 于 2011-12-2 00:43 编辑
20世纪 发表于 2011-12-1 23:39
粉版在何处收集这么多肖邦,学生只有看的份了。


哎,无论从哪方面看,你都是老哥,我只不过先上网收集。
在伊美姬下了一些后,开始注意到版本问题,从古典音乐网classical.net学到了很多,然后是豆瓣。
高手都说好的就全下,意见不一就下了再听,看自己喜欢不。
现在一般是在有目的的在电驴和bt上找。
不用看啊,下来听,可以弄个pchifi。
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电驴和bt上找的不安全,还是去音乐论坛找一收抓轨的比较放心。
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转帖,很有参考价值,呵呵

ENVOICING CHOPIN'S NOCTURNES

JEFFREY KALLBERG

II faut chanter avec les doigts!" While we do not know pre¬cisely what music elicited Ibis exhortation by Chopin, there is no doubt ot its pertinence to his Nocturnes. "Singing with the tingers" would seem to be one ot the most basic require¬ments for a pianist playing this most Iyrical of genres. Indeed we learn from Karol Mikuli that Chopin assigned Nocturnes to his students in order that they learn to produce a beautitul "vocal" tone at the keyboard.
But Chopin's language does more than simply liken pertorm¬ing styles in two mediums. Rather, it begins to lay bare the fundamental alliance of vocal music with both the conception and perception of the nocturne in the first half of the 19th century. The title itself vividly demonstrates this point. For as dictionaries of music, reviews in the press and publishers' catalogues from the time repeatedly tell us, the title "Noc¬turne" most commonly graced a genre of ensemble vocal music that had been popular in salons and other scenes of domestic music-making since at least the late 1790s. When the musical public thought about the "Nocturne" in the first half of the 19th century, they were usually thinking about a vocal piece.
Associations with this earlier genre plainly affected the ways composers and listeners understood the piano nocturne. When the composer-pianist John Field (1782-1837) started writing piano pieces called "Nocturnes" in the early 1810s, he probably conceived of them (and his first listeners cer¬tainly heard them) not as a new type of composition, but as a version of the vocal genre. At this time, composers routinely cralted such "songs without words" - an aesthetic notion that had existed for years before Mendelssohn enshrined the con¬cept in the titles to some of his piano works. These vocal associations could even move full circle: Field published two of his Nocturnes as songs, and Chopin did not object when his good friend Auguste Franchomme set one of his Noc¬turnes to the latin text O salutaris. In other words, through the middle of the 19th century, a nocturne for piano could be transformed into a nocturne for voice without violating the essence of the genre.
Of course, to observe that the tradition of the nocturne that Chopin embraced and altered was somehow complicated by this alliance with vocal music is not to deny that Field's Noc¬turnes for piano served him as significant models. Chopin was flattered to be compared to Field, and a whole range of his contemporaries sensed Field's musical imprint in his writing. At the same time that Chopín introduced a new range of expressiveness into the genre - most notably through rad¬ical shifts of mood into the middle sections of some Noc¬turnes (good examples of thiis occur in the more rapid and agitated central sections of op.15 no.1, in F majar, op.15 no.2, in F sharp major, and op.62 no.2, in E major) - he also continued through most of his career to write Nocturnes in the Fieldian style. In these works, he avoided large-scale contrasting sections, and instead created a sense of form through the juxtaposition of sharter thematic phrases (the Nocturnes 10 E flat major, op.9 no.2, D flat major, op.27 no.2, and E flat major, op.55 no.2, nicely show how Chopin employed and gradually expanded the scope and complexity of the Fieldian model). And this ongoing homage to Field forced Chopin to engage continually wilh the vocal roots that lay s close to the surface of the Irishman's Nocturnes.
This background in turn guided some of Chopin's composi¬tional decisions, as he strove throughout his career to main¬tain a perceptible presence for the vocal nocturne within its pianistic namesake. His success can be gauged during his own lifetime by the frequent vocal metaphors thal conditioned listeners' responses: critics often described the melo¬dies of his Nocturnes as "songs" or as "declamatory." Today we can hear this presence in their textures that give promi¬nence to a lyrical melody over a widely spanned accompani¬ment (evoking, perhaps, the sound of voices supported by a keyboard instrument or guitar), in their style of ornamenta¬tion (in shape and position akin to the ornate decorations found in vocal nocturnes), and in those passages marked with character indications such as "cantabile" and "sotto voce."
Perhaps the most dramatic, if not the most typical, affirma¬tion of the genre's vocal background comes in the recitalive that concludes the Nocturne in B major, op.32 no.1. The dis¬ruption caused by this ending seems perplexing if we ignore the broader generic tradition: that is, il we deny its vocal roots, we might easily hear the recitative as a foreign intru¬sion. But Chopin conceived the Nocturne in the framework of a vocal past that now and then featured bits of recitative. Hence the shift in tone in the recitative really just magnifies the more normal vocal background of the rest of the piece. What it brings to mind, however, is not the reflective Iyricism most typical of the vocal genre, but rather a special kind of singing with a direct, assertive character. This directness of address, this evocation of music that "speaks" to us word¬lessly, helps account for the sense of immediacy that per¬meates the recitative.
Chopin turned to recitative elsewhere in the Nocturnes. His pupil Moll Gutmann remarked that Chopin instructed him to play the middle section of the Nocturne in F sharp minor, op.48 no.2, as a recitative: "A tyrant commands" (the first two chords), Gutmann reported Chopin saying, "and the other asks for mercy." And in the Nocturne in F minar, op.55 no.1, a briel, nine-bar recitative begins the middle section. Perhaps it was the start of this middle section that led one reviewer in 1844 to single out for praise the Nocturne's "warm, declamatory melody." Once again, recitatives reinforce the abiding characterization of the genre as instrumental music that "speaks."
The enduring connection between instrumental and vocal nocturnes also affected Chopin's conception of the proper performing style for the genre. Well before his day it was common to urge instrumentalists to imitate the style of sing¬ers. Yet the frequency with which Chopin expressed himsell on the subject suggests that it represented more than a model for efficacious phrasing and fullness of sound. Over and over again we find similar testimony to the central role of singing in his conception of proper musicianship. For example, Emi¬lie Gretsch, alter hearing Chopin play four Nocturnes, reported that "his playing is entirely based on the vocal style of Rubini, Malibran and Grisi, etc.; he says so himsell. But it's a purely pianistic 'voice' that he uses to recreate the particu¬lar style of each of these artists...True lo his principie of imi¬tating great singers in one's playing, Chopin drew from the instrument the secret of how to express breathing. At every point where a singer would take a breath, the accomplished pianist... should take Gafe to raise the wrist so as to jet it fall again on the singing note with the greatest suppleness imag¬inable." (A succinct note in Chopin's unfinished sketch for a piano method makes the same point: "The wrist: respiration in the voice.")
Chopin recommended a singing style of performance to so many students in order to help him communicate the vocal background of the genre His comments on the value of stud¬ying singers, on the importance of the wrist in articulating how a melody "breathes," and on the cultivation of a vocal tone served an immediate, practical purpose, but they served another pedagogical end as well: students who would be less apt to reflect on relatively arcane compositional strategies could be made to grasp the generic basis of the nocturne by 'singing" on the piano. Tactile understanding fed generic comprehension, and vice versa; some of the rare qualities that Chopin's contemporaries perceived in his playing must have been bound up with this ability to make sound and, structure absolutely interdependent.
Chopin's words resonate strongly with the compositional strategies that he used to elicit memories of song in the Noc¬turnes. They confirm that a vocal model lay at the heart ot Chopin's entire conception of musical expression. It gov¬erned his theories of performance just as much as it con¬rolled his interpretations of the genre's tradition.


MARIA JOÄO PIRES, who was born in Lisbon, received her early musical training with Professor Campos Coelho at the Lisbon Conservatory, where she also studied composition, music theory and music history. Later she studied in Munich with Rosl Schmid and in Hanover with Karl Engel, who played an influential role in her artistic development. In 1970 she won, to international acclaim, first prize at a competition held in Brussels to commemorate the 20th anniversary of Beethoven's birth. Since then she has undertaken tours of Europe, the USA, Canada, Israel and Japan, and has made guest appearances at the world's most renowned festivals, such as Tanglewood, Ravinia and Schleswig-Holstein. She is especially well known as an outstanding interpreter of Mozart. An exclusive artist with Deutsche Grammophon since 1989, she has released recordings of Mozart's com¬plete piano sonatas (Grand Prix du Disque in 1990) and Mozart piano concertos with the Vienna Philharmonic and Chamber Orchestra of Europe under Claudio Abbado, as well as the Chopín Preludes and F minor Concerto, with André Previn and the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra (Chopin Prize, Warsaw, in 1995). She has also made recordings of solo piano music by Bach, Schubert and Schumann, as well as works by Schumann with the oboist Douglas Boyd. Her principal partner for chamber music is the French violinist Augustin Dumay, with whom she has recorded Mozart, Brahms and Grieg, Franck, Debussy and Ravel. Joined by the cellist Jian Wang, the pair have al so recorded piano trios by Brahms.
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现在有7个版本了,打算连听一周。

还没找到弗朗索瓦的。。。
当一个男人遇到困难的时候,应该掏出自己的老二,凝视并冥思:
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现在有7个版本了,打算连听一周。

还没找到弗朗索瓦的。。。

电驴上有全集,选了夜曲先下,今天下完了,明天听听怎么样

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驴货尝试过,一直下不完。。。把这个法国人收过来,基本上主流的就都全了。  发表于 2011-12-2 23:39
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看名字应该是verycd上的,每个都有源
Samson.Francois.-.[Chopin.Piano.Works(Disc.9)].涓撹緫.(Ape).rar (168.61 MB)
Samson.Francois.-.[Chopin.Piano.Works(Disc.8)].涓撹緫.(Ape).rar (215.73 MB)
Samson.Francois.-.[Chopin.Piano.Works(Disc.7)].涓撹緫.(Ape).rar (250.56 MB)
Samson.Francois.-.[Chopin.Piano.Works(Disc.6)].涓撹緫.(Ape).rar (275.69 MB)
Samson.Francois.-.[Chopin.Piano.Works(Disc.5)].涓撹緫.(Ape).rar (247.17 MB)
Samson.Francois.-.[Chopin.Piano.Works(Disc.4)].涓撹緫.(Ape).rar (245.78 MB)
Samson.Francois.-.[Chopin.Piano.Works(Disc.3)].涓撹緫.(Ape).rar (185.32 MB)
Samson.Francois.-.[Chopin.Piano.Works(Disc.2)].涓撹緫.(Ape).rar (180.25 MB)
Samson.Francois.-.[Chopin.Piano.Works(Disc.10)].涓撹緫.(Ape).rar (212.24 MB)
Samson.Francois.-.[Chopin.Piano.Works(Disc.1)].涓撹緫.(Ape).rar (317.04 MB)

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没有源。。。  发表于 2011-12-3 10:47
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委员长 发表于 2011-12-2 23:31
现在有7个版本了,打算连听一周。

还没找到弗朗索瓦的。。。

印象中这个弗朗索尼瓦的版本我可能有,好象是emi版。
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委员长 发表于 2011-12-2 23:31
现在有7个版本了,打算连听一周。

还没找到弗朗索瓦的。。。

用emule plus1.2,几天就下了一张
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委员长 发表于 2011-12-2 23:31
现在有7个版本了,打算连听一周。

还没找到弗朗索瓦的。。。

听了,决定全下
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李欧梵的乐评http://www.soomal.com/doc/20100001087.htm

為了紀念肖邦二百周年誕辰,我在春節假期每天猛聽各路鋼琴名家錄制的肖邦作品唱碟。本文算是一篇聆聽報告,但我的對象卻不是專家,而是喜愛肖邦的樂迷。普通樂迷喜愛肖邦的原因是他的旋律優美動聽,而鋼琴專家則從肖邦的各種曲式和曲類(如波蘭舞曲、敘事曲、詼諧曲、練習曲、前奏曲、華爾茲、馬祖卡舞曲和奏鳴曲等等)的詮釋著手,當然注重技巧和演繹上的問題,我介乎兩者之間。
為了寫這篇文章,我先把自己置身于一個普通的香港樂迷的立場,然后問:要買什么肖邦的唱片?我猜華人樂迷大概都會買一兩張李云迪的唱碟吧。近日聽他在香港文化中心的一場肖邦鋼琴獨奏會,卻大失所望,心痛之余,回家聽他的唱碟,內中有一張精采之至:肖邦的四首詼諧曲(Scherzos)和三首即興曲(Impromptus),前者稍長(每曲約七分鐘到十分鐘左右),是顯示技巧和詮釋的作品;后者較短(每曲四五分鐘),顧名思義,有「即興」發揮之意,這位「鋼琴王子」奏來得心應手。該碟的制作人是名家,所以錄制的鋼琴音色也極佳,遠在華沙比賽實況錄音之上。



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DGG為李云迪錄制的肖邦詼諧曲與即興曲





擁戴李云迪的「對手」郎朗的樂迷,可能會失望,因為郎朗的強項不在肖邦,他只錄過一張肖邦唱片:兩首鋼琴協奏曲,表現不差,伴奏的是世界數一數二的維也納愛樂,然而在印度人梅塔(Zubin Mehta)指揮之下,有點太過華麗,所以此片并非首選。



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DGG為郎朗錄制的肖邦兩首鋼琴協奏曲

梅塔指揮維也納愛樂樂團協奏



友人周光蓁借我數張他珍藏的傅聰演奏肖邦的唱碟,如今早已絕版(為什么Sony公司不將之集在一起重新發行?)我一聽之下,驚為天人,此乃天籟之聲也!2月初我在澳門聽他演奏莫扎特,臨時多加兩首肖邦小曲,余音繞梁,我至今記憶猶新。聽了這幾張唱碟之后,我覺得傅聰是除Artur Rubinstein(阿圖爾·魯賓斯坦)之外舉世最佳的肖邦詮釋者,尤其是對于馬祖卡舞曲的演奏,可謂不作第二人想,連魯賓斯坦也比不上。



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SONY發行的傅聰演奏肖邦馬祖卡舞曲集





波蘭的樂評家早就發現他的驚人才華,認為深得馬祖卡舞曲的精髓。他在八十年代中期錄制(自己擔任制片)的一套兩碟裝馬祖卡舞曲全集,我認為是珍品,惜已絕版,只有其中六首被收入Sony公司最新再版的十五碟裝的《肖邦200》紀念版,而且是和魯賓斯坦的放在一起,似乎證實了我的看法(其實乃樂界公認)。



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SONY公司發行的《Chopin 200 偉大錄音》(15CD)





傅聰2005年在波蘭以老鋼琴錄制的十八首馬祖卡選曲,目前坊間還買得到,聽來傅聰的雄風依舊,而且較前更有深度——這種「深度」,指的是心靈的領悟,猶如「武功」到了出神入化的境界,反而反璞歸真了。另一張令我驚喜的絕版唱碟是傅聰演奏的兩首肖邦鋼琴協奏曲,由湯沐海指揮華沙交響樂團伴奏,這是一張英國Collins公司出品的「發燒盤」,但令我「發燒」的還是傅聰的琴藝,樂隊的聲音聽來也頗為細致,唱碟的解說詞似乎也是傅聰自己寫的。



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Collins出品的傅聰演奏的肖邦鋼琴協奏曲

湯沐海指揮華沙交響樂團協奏



為什么傅聰近年來被西方的大唱片公司冷落?或許是他潛心修煉,與業界隔絕?抑或是唱片公司要力捧新星如郎朗和李云迪?德國DG公司早已不與李云迪續約,繼而捧另一兩位最近得獎的新星。我聽了年紀輕輕的德日混血兒Alice Sara Ott(愛麗絲·薩拉·奧托)演奏的肖邦圓舞曲,初聽不錯,再聽卻覺得不對勁,她的速度變化有點「無厘頭」,豈能和Samson Francois(桑松·弗朗索瓦)和Dinu Lipatti(迪努·李帕蒂)相比?!這兩位「古人」為后世留下數張「世界偉大唱片」(Great Recordings of the Century, EMI出品),音響雖已過時,但我百聽不厭。從他們兩位所奠下的法國光榮傳統,我又回到「老祖宗」Alfred Cortot(阿爾弗雷德·柯托),他的唱片是在上世紀三十年代錄制的,現在聽,我還是大叫bravo!他把那首我最鐘愛的前奏曲(No.4,E.Minor)奏出無比的浪漫激情——兩分鐘之內,從平靜的情感湖面掀起狂風暴雨似的浪花,我從來沒有聽任何人如此奏過,真是高手。



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EMI為桑松·富朗索瓦錄制的肖邦夜曲與前奏曲







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EMI為迪努·李帕蒂錄制的肖邦作品







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阿爾弗雷德·柯托演奏肖邦作品(EMI版)







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阿爾弗雷德·柯托演奏肖邦作品(NAXOS版)





這三位巨人,早已作古,然而在我心中留下永不磨滅的印象,要感謝今日的科技,使得舊時的聲音,聽來依然栩栩如生。接下來呢?當然是魯賓斯坦。

我是聽魯賓斯坦的肖邦唱片成長的,他錄制的《夜曲》(Nocturnes)是權威性的演繹,也是我聆聽次數最多的一套。前日又拿出來重聽,才發現唱碟有點損壞了,好在有這套《肖邦200》紀念版及時補救,內中除了包括他演奏的肖邦《夜曲》外,還有練習曲(Studies)、敘事曲(Ballads)、即興曲和馬祖卡曲等,共占七碟,豐富之至。



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RCA發行的魯賓斯坦演奏肖邦《夜曲》新版







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RCA發行的魯賓斯坦演奏肖邦《夜曲》舊版







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RCA發行的魯賓斯坦演奏肖邦作品集





Sony公司接管了當年美國兩大公司Columbia和RCA,當然寶藏無數,但不知何故,卻舍去當家名旦Murray Perahia(莫里·佩拉亞)而就不見傳的Cyprien Katsaris(塞普林·卡薩利斯),甚至連重頭戲波蘭舞曲和第一號奏鳴曲都采用后者的版本。相形之下,DG公司的兩碟裝《金牌肖邦》(Chopin Gold)倒頗均勻,把該公司旗下的所有著名鋼琴羅列殆盡,這是為初入門的聽眾而包裝,我也買下一套,為的是捧「明星」,不料聽了Maurizio Pollini(毛里齊奧·波里尼)演奏的「英雄波蘭舞曲」,卻頗為失望,倒是剛得華沙肖邦大獎的新星Rafal Blechacz(拉法爾·布雷查茲)的音色奇佳,于是又立即購下他演奏的全版《前奏曲》,果然不差。但為何這套「雜碎」獨缺另一位當年得獎者Krystian Zimerman(克里斯蒂安·齊默爾曼)?他也是李云迪仰慕的大師。



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DGG公司發行的《Chopin Gold》







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DGG為拉法爾·布雷查茲錄制的肖邦前奏曲集





如果要我選出一位出類拔萃但完全「不按理出牌」的肖邦演奏家,則非Vladimir Horowitz(霍洛維茨)莫屬。香港學者兼樂迷邵頌雄先生剛出版的中文著作《黑白溢彩:霍洛維茨的藝術》是我讀過最出色的音樂評論。

書中說肖邦并非霍洛維茨的強項,然而卻有大量的霍氏演奏肖邦的唱片,有的還是他私藏的錄音。我最近偶然買到一張他在1949至1957年間錄音的肖邦唱片(Naxos出品),內中最令我觸「耳」驚心的是第二號鋼琴奏鳴曲和第四號敘事曲(該碟包括兩個不同版本),聽后震撼之余,只能大贊:只此一家,別無分號!



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NAXOS發行的霍洛維茨演奏肖邦第二鋼琴奏鳴曲與第四敘事曲





當然有不少樂迷喜歡Martha Argerich(瑪塔·阿格里奇)和Evgeny Kissin(葉夫根尼·基辛)二人的肖邦唱碟,各有所好。如果初入門者想買幾張價廉物美的肖邦唱碟,我愿意推薦越南鋼琴家鄧泰新(普羅藝術再版出品)。
科幻 Asimov,Gunn,刘慈欣,Bradbury,Heinlein,Vernor Vinge

音乐 Beethoven,Tchaikovsky,Mozart,Chopin,Schubert,Stravinsky
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本帖最后由 委员长 于 2011-12-3 12:19 编辑

此人提了不少人,却没提阿劳和皮尔斯。。。

他是没听过,还是不屑提?

这个人的评价和我的听感差不多。
http://blog.tomtung.com/2007/01/interpretations-of-chopin-nocturnes/

当一个男人遇到困难的时候,应该掏出自己的老二,凝视并冥思:
这货可大可小,能屈能伸;尝过美鲍,中过圈套;喷过别人,挨过口舌,上过山峰,也下过地狱。
人生百景,起起伏伏,不过都是扯蛋。
把裆下的问题想明白后,该猥琐时猥琐,该战斗时战斗!
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