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发表于 2007-3-23 08:57 | 显示全部楼层
……这话从何说起呢[s:89]
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别打岔,继续继续

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发表于 2007-3-23 09:08 | 显示全部楼层
既然大家感兴趣我觉得首先应当还原一下硫磺岛战役的原貌 (中立的记载)
The Battle of Iwo Jima was fought by the United States of America and the Empire of Japan in February and March 1945, during the Pacific Campaign of World War II. The U.S. invasion, known as Operation Detachment, was aimed at capturing the airfields on Iwo Jima. The Japanese soldiers were known as "Japs" to the Americans.
The battle is famous as the origin of a picture of five Marines from the 5th Marine Division, along with a U.S. Navy corpsman, raising the U.S. flag atop the 166 meter (546 ft) Mount Suribachi, the highest point on Iwo Jima,during the battle. The Marines captured Suribachi in the first week offighting. Three of the six flag-raisers were killed before Iwo Jima wassecured.

The Battle of Iwo Jima
Ground fighting on the island took place over approximately 35 days,lasting from the landings of February 19th to a final Japanese chargethe morning of March 26th, 1945.
Initial landings
Marines landing on Iwo Jima.


At 02:00 on February 19,battleship guns signaled the commencement of D-Day. Soon 100 bombersattacked the island, followed by another volley from the naval guns.Although the bombs were consistent, it didn't deter the Japanese'sdefenses. At 08:59, one minute ahead of schedule, the first of aneventual 30,000 Marines of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th Marine Divisions, under V Amphibious Corps, landed on the Japanese island of Iwo Jima and a battle for the island commenced.
The Marines faced heavy fire from Mount Suribachiat the south of the island, and fought over inhospitable terrain: roughvolcanic ash which allowed neither secure footing nor the digging offoxholes. Nevertheless, by that evening the mountain had beensurrounded and 30,000 Marines had landed. About 40,000 more wouldfollow.

Taking Mt. SuribachiBy the morning of the fourth day of the battle, Mount Suribachi waseffectively cut off from the rest of the island—above ground. By thatpoint, the Marines knew that the Japanese defenders had an extensivenetwork of below-ground defenses, and knew that in spite of itsisolation above ground, the volcano was still connected to Japanesedefenders via the tunnel network. They expected a fierce fight for thesummit.
Two four-man patrols were sent up the volcano to reconnoiter routeson the mountain's north face. Popular legend (embroidered by the pressin the aftermath of the release of the now-famous photo "Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima")has it that the Marines fought tooth and nail all the way up to thesummit. But although the riflemen were tensed for an ambush, nonematerialized. They made it to the summit and scrambled down again,reporting the lack of enemy contact to Colonel Chandler Johnson.
Johnson then called for a platoon of Marines to climb Suribachi.With them, he sent a small American flag to fly if they reached thesummit. Again, Marines began the ascent, expecting to be ambushed atany moment. And again, the Marines reached the top of Suribachi withoutincident. Using a length of pipe they found among the wreckage atop themountain, the Marines hoisted the U.S. flag over Mount Suribachi, thefirst foreign flag to fly on Japanese soil in centuries.
As the flag went up, Secretary of the Navy James Forrestalhad just landed on the beach at the foot of Mt. Suribachi. He decidedthat he wanted the flag as a souvenir. Popular legend has it thatColonel Johnson wanted the flag for himself; in fact, he believed thatthe flag belonged to the 2nd Battalion, 28th Marines, who had capturedthat section of the island. He sent Sergeant Mike Strank (who wasphotographed in the Flag Raising picture) to scrounge up a second flag,and sent that one up the volcano to replace the first. As the firstflag came down, the second went up, and it was then that Associated Press photographer Joe Rosenthal took the famous photograph "Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima" of the replacement flag being planted on the mountain's summit.
After Mt. Suribachi
Several M4A3 Sherman tanks equipped with flamethrowers were used to clear Japanese bunkers.


Despite the loss of Mt. Suribachi,the Japanese still held a strong position. Kuribayashi still had theequivalent of eight infantry battalions, a tank regiment, two artilleryand three heavy mortar battalions, plus the 5,000 gunners and navalinfantry. The struggle to take the Motoyama Plateau, including "TurkeyKnob" was to take the better part of three weeks. The Japanese actuallyhad the Marines outgunned in this area, and the extensive tunnelsallowed the Japanese to reappear in areas thought "safe". It was withweapons like the 8 Sherman M4A3 medium tanks equipped with the NavyMark I flame thrower ("Ronson" or Zippo Tanks) that the Marines would force the Japanese to leave their caves.
Close air support was initially provided by fighters from escortcarriers off the coast. This shifted over to the 15th Fighter Group(flying P-51 Mustangs)after they arrived on the island on D+15. Similarly, illuminationrounds (flares) which were used to light up the battlefield at nightwere initially provided by ships, shifting over later to landing forceartillery. Navajo code talkers were a key part of the American ground communications, along with walkie-talkies and SCR-610 backpack radio sets.
Final days of the Battle
"Unloading on the beach of Iwo Jima".


With the landing area secure, more troops and heavy equipment cameashore and the invasion proceeded north to capture the airfields andthe remainder of the island. Most Japanese soldiers fought to thedeath. On the night of 25 March, a 300-man Japanese force launched afinal counterattack in the vicinity of Airfield Number 2. Army pilots, Seabees and Marines of the 5th Pioneer Battalionand 28th Marines fought the Japanese force until morning but sufferedheavy casualties—more than 100 killed and another 200 American wounded.Of all the Japanese that fought, 20,703 were killed and 216 werecaptured.[1] The island was officially declared "secure" the following day.
Aftermath
"Among the men who fought on Iwo Jima, uncommon valor was a common virtue"—Admiral Chester W. Nimitz大家看看这句话体会一下  Of the over 22,000 Japanese soldiers, 20,703 died, and 216 werecaptured. The Allied forces suffered 25,281 casualties, with 5,598deaths. This was the only large engagement of WWII in which the Alliedforces suffered more casualties (dead plus injured) than their Japaneseopponents.
After Iwo Jima was declared secured, the Marines estimated therewere no more than three hundred Japanese left alive in the island'swarren of caves and tunnels. In fact, there were close to threethousand. The Japanese bushidocode of honor, coupled with effective propaganda which portrayedAmerican G.I.'s as ruthless animals, prevented surrender for manyJapanese soldiers. Those who could not bring themselves to commitsuicide hid in the caves during the day and came out at night to prowlfor provisions. Many did eventually surrender, and were surprised thatthe Americans often received them with compassion, offering water,cigarettes, or coffee.[5]The last of these stragglers, two of Lieutenant Toshihiko Ohno's men,Yamakage Kufuku and Matsudo Linsoki, lasted six years, surrendering in1951[6] (another source gives the date of surrender as January 6, 1949[7])
Over a quarter of the Medals of Honorawarded to Marines in World War II were given for conduct in theinvasion of Iwo Jima. The Marines, both active duty and reservists,were commended with 22 Medals of Honor. An additional five Medals ofHonor were bestowed upon five Navy servicemen and reservists. Thistotal of 27 is the most ever given in a single battle to date.
Given this bloody sacrifice, the necessity and long-termsignificance of the island's capture to the outcome of the war was acontentious issue from the beginning, and remains disputed. As early asApril 1945 retired Chief of Naval Operations William V. Pratt asked in Newsweek magazine about the "expenditureof manpower to acquire a small, God-forsaken island, useless to theArmy as a staging base and useless to the Navy as a fleet base ...[one] wonders if the same sort of airbase could not have been reachedby acquiring other strategic localities at lower cost."[8]The Japanese on Iwo Jima had radar with which they notified theircomrades at home of incoming B-29s flying from the Marianas. Fighteraircraft based on Iwo Jima sometimes attacked these planes, which wereespecially vulnerable on their way to Japan because they were heavilyladen with bombs and fuel. The island was also used as an air-searescue base after its seizure. However, the traditional justificationfor Iwo Jima's strategic importance to the United States' war efforthas been that it provided a landing and refueling site for Americanbombers on missions to and from Japan. As early as March 4, 1945, while fighting was still taking place, the B-29 bomber Dinah Might of the USAAF 9th Bomb Groupreported it was low on fuel near the island and requested an emergencylanding. Despite enemy fire, the airplane landed on theAllied-controlled section of the island, without incident, and wasserviced, refueled and departed. In all, 2,251 B-29 Superfortresseslanded on Iwo Jima during the war.
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发表于 2007-3-23 09:11 | 显示全部楼层
WIKIPEDIA 虽然不是最精确的,但是可以说是最中立的,因为中文的记载是在是太少,所以选用英文记载,大家可以先看看了解一下战争的清醒,看看是不是非常的残酷。
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发表于 2007-3-23 09:13 | 显示全部楼层
D坛的字幕组呢?

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发表于 2007-3-23 09:16 | 显示全部楼层
如果战争惨烈如此,为什么说两句悲天怜人的话就是大尾巴狼呢? 为什么表现一下厌战的情绪就是虚伪装高人呢?
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发表于 2007-3-23 09:20 | 显示全部楼层
你觉得硫磺岛之战中,双方是平等的战争狂,还是能够区分正义邪恶的?

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发表于 2007-3-23 09:31 | 显示全部楼层
正方反方继续
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发表于 2007-3-23 09:34 | 显示全部楼层
如果说日本对中国的战争,那么不用说,日本是完全活该。
但是美国绝非善类。
不管善还是, 从人性角度上看都是悲剧。当然,有人是经过通俗化运动洗礼的,只要有人说人性说厌战之类的词都是大尾巴狼[s:14]
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发表于 2007-3-23 09:36 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 dave9181 于 2007-3-23 09:16 发表
如果战争惨烈如此,为什么说两句悲天怜人的话就是大尾巴狼呢? 为什么表现一下厌战的情绪就是虚伪装高人呢?


对呀,战争是如此惨烈。
但你是真不明白还是假不明白,这场战争因何而起?!难道是东条叫人开着C46去撞了帝国大厦?!
当人家已经把战争强加到你头上时,你还是用你那”悲天怜人的话“去以德糊人吗?!
这不是大尾巴狼是什么?!
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原帖由 sendoh 于 2007-3-23 09:36 发表


对呀,战争是如此惨烈。
但你是真不明白还是假不明白,这场战争因何而起?!难道是东条叫人开着C46去撞了帝国大厦?!
当人家已经把战争强加到你头上时,你还是用你那”悲天怜人的话“去以德糊人吗?!
...


您的嘴脸露出来了
别急别急,不要失去理智吗。[s:14]
您先看看资料,我都给您找来了,找找美国人对这事儿的看法,毕竟不是中国的战场
您真觉得美国是战争的受害者呀?? 您真是博古通今[s:14]

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我没想糊弄谁,我只是觉得这场战争是惨烈的,是可悲的,您非得说我糊弄您了,那我没办法,我知道您是假不明白
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发表于 2007-3-23 09:43 | 显示全部楼层
开始有意思了。搬小板凳。
Why does everything have to be dirty with you?
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发表于 2007-3-23 09:48 | 显示全部楼层
sendoh, 可否用你的近代史知识评价一下朝鲜战争中的“正义方“和”邪恶方”
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原帖由 hechunyue 于 2007-3-22 13:37 发表
虽然我也很讨厌日本鬼子,但看这几个片断感觉挺不是滋味的,都是战争的牺牲品。。。。愚昧的人类何时才能真正和平相处啊,反正我是看不到了


就是这些话,让某人看成是大尾巴狼的言论,我是看不出有什么问题,我才疏学浅嘛!
我想看看这里面到底哪个字体现了H兄的“小市民式的拔高” (某人的意思) 大家也一起找找[s:97]
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