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(新加HD1屏摄)二万内720P的D-LIA投影的画质将会秒杀所有3万以内DLP和LCD机!

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如果JVC用0.7英寸720p等级D-LIA芯片(1280 x 720(像素大小:12微米,像素间隔:0.5微米,开口率:93%)。做成售价在二万以内原生对比度与HD-1一样(15000:1) 的720P机种,将会极具市场颠覆性!以它的无与伦比的色彩和超高的真实对比度将会通杀所有3万以内DLP(目前十万以内的均为单片式其色彩始终不能与三片式相提并伦)和LCD机(真实对比度太低)!

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-7-22 11:16 | 显示全部楼层
以目前的技术水平,只要JVC愿意,生产2万左右的原生对比度达15000:1的D-LIA机种,不存在任何问题!
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-7-22 11:23 | 显示全部楼层
个人认为,以目前的技术,D-LIA投影才是2D家用视频投影最好的选择!
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发表于 2007-7-22 11:25 | 显示全部楼层
没有如果.
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发表于 2007-7-22 12:17 | 显示全部楼层
说明JVC不会做生意
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发表于 2007-7-22 12:33 | 显示全部楼层
肯定有别的技术问题或者市场问题使得jvc不愿意提前使用这个技术。
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LCOS不是神,其所谓色彩出色不过是用了灯泡滤片技术,12S4早就用过这一手了,在色域虽然接近vW100,但色谱差得远,实际观看还是区别蛮大.
再说,LOCS的ANSI对比度还是不行,始终没有突破.

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发表于 2007-7-22 13:43 | 显示全部楼层
JVC的D-LIA产能一直有问题,良品率低. 而且今年年初就有风声说PANASONIC准备把JVC卖掉,不能赢利的公司在股东眼里都是鸡肋....
JVC是个很少生产垃圾产品的公司,可是这样的公司往往不会做生意.
现在已经不是技术制霸的年代了,大众和通用的那群猴子能把烂到底的车在中国市场上当高级车卖就是个生动的例子
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-7-22 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 AIF824 于 2007-7-22 12:46 发表
LCOS不是神,其所谓色彩出色不过是用了灯泡滤片技术,12S4早就用过这一手了,在色域虽然接近W100,但色谱差得远,实际观看还是区别蛮大.
再说,LOCS的ANSI对比度还是不行,始终没有突破.


现在没有什么技术是神,但是就目前而言,LCOS是最好的,下面是几种投影机的画质对比结论!

Projectorreviews对1080P投影机的比较


继Projectorcentral之后, Projectorreviews也推出了他们的1080P投影机比较的文章, 与PJC针对每个机台分别评价的做法不同, Projectorreviews是针对不同的画面特征, 来评定各个机器的座次. 由于原文篇幅太长, 所以就只摘录其精华部分:

画质的评判:
Projectorreviews网站的主编Art Feierman先生把它分成了六大部分:

1) 出厂设置的画面表现:
-- HC5000: 很好, 但是原始设定的色温里面, “暖色温”显得过于偏暖, “中间色温”又显得偏冷, 整体的画面有偏绿的倾向, 需要调整
-- AE1000: 极好, 出厂设置几乎不需任何调整, 唯一的问题就是色彩的浓度略为高了点, 要降低到-2或-3, AE1000让人想起了当年著名的SONY特丽珑彩电……几近完美.
-- TW1000: 很好, 但在剧院黑暗1模式下明显偏红, 比三菱或JVC都明显, 在评测的机器里面是”最亮模式”下最亮的, 但在该模式下又偏绿
-- W10000: 同样很好, 但出厂设置色调偏冷, 色温在7150K左右,导致红色显得不足, W1000在家庭影院模式下表现很好, 经过一些调整后会更好, 而且是TW1000之后”最亮模式”下第二亮的机器.
-- HD81: 比较而言可能是出厂设置最差的, 色温接近7400K, 明显偏冷, 但经过调整还是相当不错的, OPTOMA能很好地表现暗部色彩, 这是一个优点, 另一个可以做到这点的是RS1
-- VW50, 出厂设置虽然不错, 但肯定需要调整, 其画面明显偏蓝, 不过可以比较容易调整到6500K. SONY的画面色彩浓度都不及其它机器, 但评测者发现, 其实SONY的色彩取向是对的, 换句话说, SONY的色浓度略有不足, 但其它的机器色浓度都太高, 包括JVC.
-- JVC RS1(HD1), 极好, 几乎不需调整, 如果这次评测的机器里面有一台能让评测者不经调整就开始欣赏画面的话, 那就是JVC了(松下非常接近地排在第二), 同样, 色浓度太高, 需要降低一些.
2) 肤色表现:
第一集团: RS1, VW50, HC5000, W10000
第二集团: AE1000, TW1000, HD81
3) 黑位及暗部层次
接近完美: JVC RS1(HD1). 目前在暗位上能够胜过RS1的, 只有三枪投影机, 因为其技术原理可以做到真正的全黑, 但即使是三枪机的死忠, 在看到RS1的表现后估计也会动摇的. 因为RS1黑位只是小输给三枪机. 但其它方面都占据优势.
表现卓越: VW50
极好: W10000, HD81
很好: TW1000, AE1000, HC5000
4) 亮度(是指画面调整到最佳状态下的亮度)
非常遗憾, 上述所有的机器, 没有一台能够在其”最佳模式”下点亮150吋的幕布(蓝铃花注: 评测者的要求比较高, 我们可以往下看). 当然, 如果你只是92-100吋的幕布用户, 那么这些机器都没有问题.
表现卓越: 没有, 评测者定出的标准是必须在”最佳模式”下达到1000流明, 这些1080P的机器都达不到, 所以此项空缺.
非常好:
JVC RS1(HD1), 在”最佳模式”下达到700流明.
OPTOMA HD81, 在”最佳模式”下达到674流明.
TW1000, 在表现最佳的” 剧院黑暗1模式”下达到597流明
好:
W10000, 不用光圈时506流明 (蓝铃花注: 评测者建议对W10000不要启用其手动光圈, 因为手动光圈启用后会大幅降低亮度, 而对提高对比度却帮助不大)
HC5000, 480流明, VW50, 430流明
一般:
AE1000: 295流明
5) 画面的锐利度:
表现卓越: HC5000, W10000, HD81
很好: RS1, TW1000, VW50
好: AE1000, 由于采用smoothscreen技术, 带来的副作用就是画面偏柔, 不过却是所有穿透式液晶机里面最具备”菲林感”的.
6) 总体画质排行榜: 不出所料, JVC 的RS1(HD1)夺得冠军位置, 这点与PJC的结论一致,   而且Art Feierman自己也买了台RS1(HD1), 接替了服役多年的明基PE8720, 他对RS1(HD1)的评价是: 虽然投影机更新换代很快, 两三年内肯定会出现超过RS1的投影机, 但他已不会再换机, 因为RS1已经能满足其对画面的追求.
谁是亚军? 这是个有趣的问题, 原来在该网站评选的各个价格段的投影机座次中, RS1(HD1)是5000美元以上1080P投影机的冠军, 亚军是明基W10000和OPTOMA的HD81并列, 5000美元以下1080P投影机的冠军, 则是SONY的VW50. 而在这次的排行榜中, 主编没有再次青睐W10000或HD81, 他把亚军授予了VW50.
接下来是W10000和HD81并列第三集团. 再接下去是TW1000, HC5000, AE1000位居第四集团


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 楼主| 发表于 2007-7-22 14:02 | 显示全部楼层
以上的中文译文的英文原文见:http://www.projectorreviews.com/Best1080pProjectors042007/index.php

The Best 1080p Resolution Home Theater Projectors of 2007
04/25/2007-Art Feierman

Overview
Image Quality
General Performance
Warranty
Summary, Pros, Cons

Overview:

To date, we have had the opportunity to physically review seven of the new 1080p projectors, since the first ones shipped back in October 2006. Each of these has a full, in-depth review on our site, and 6 of the seven were considered in the March Hot Projector Comparison, for the two 1080 catagories (over and under $5000).


Shown here - JVC DLA-RS1:

Since that time much has changed (yep in 6 weeks). First, we completed our review of the Epson Home Cinema 1080 projector, and by association their almost identical Pro Cinema 1080 projector.

This is how the dynamics are changing: In the last report, three of the six projectors - the Panasonic PT-AE1000U, Mitsubishi HC5000 and Sony VPL-VW50 Pearl, were in the under $5000 grouping, with the Panasonic being the least expensive - typically selling online for under $4000 before a $400 rebate. The other three projectors - the Optoma HD81, BenQ W10000, and JVC RS1, were over $5000. Now, just a few weeks later the Epson Home Cinema 1080 is the low cost leader, starting at under $3000. Even the Epson Pro Cinema 1080 (whose main difference is the ISF calibration related capabilities, is $4999 (including spare lamp, mount, and I understand, also a $300 credit toward the purchase of a screen).

In addition Optoma dramatically lowered the price of their HD81 (left) from $7999 to $4299, and launched a $300 mail in rebate. Lastly, BenQ is also shipping their W9000, almost identical to the W10000, but it uses a Darkchip2 DLP instead of the Darkchip3, so can't quite match the black levels and contrast, but is otherwise the same (although the W9000 has a shorter warranty, I believe).

So as of this writing, the actual counts (including counting both versions of the Epson, and the two BenQ's, means that this article will consider 9 separate projectors, although we only physically worked with 7 of them.

Shown to the right: Sony Pearl VW50

Let's get started. This review will use a format similar to regular individual reviews, with five sections: Overview and physical layout, image quality, general performance, warranty and the summary.

Home Theater Projectors: Physical Comparison
There are three major areas of consideration: Two concern how and where you can place the projector in your room - Zoom lens throw, and variable lens shift. The third area is the "input" panel, which we will refer to as "Projector Interfacing"; what you can actually hook up to the projector, as well as things like screen triggers, command and control interfacing, etc.

Shown above: Epson Home Cinema 1080 (the Pro version is black)

Home Theater Projectors: Zoom Lens Attributes:
The projectors very neatly separate into two groups here. There are the DLP projectors - Optoma HD81, BenQ W10000 and W9000, with very limited range - only 1.2:1 (20% placement range) on the Optoma, and only 15% on the two BenQ projectors.

This means that for a typical 100" diagonal screen, where you can place the projector in terms of distance on the above mentioned Optoma and BenQ projectors varies by only about 2 feet front to back. For almost all people therefore, these three projectors are going to be ceiling mounted.

Shown above: Panasonic PT-AE1000U

The other six projectors all have zoom lens ratios around 2:1, except for the Mitsubishi at 1.6:1. Even 1.6:1 offers far more placement flexibility, which will give the vast majority of buyers, the option of shelf mounting in the back of their room.

Home Theater Projectors: Lens Shift Attributes
Of the nine projectors, all offer vertical lens shift, except for the Optoma HD81. With lens shift, you have more flexibility as to where you can place a projector vertically, relative to the screen. All of the projectors with lens shift, can allow the projector to be placed anywhere between the bottom of the screen surface, and the top, and most (except for the BenQ's) also allow the projector (for a 100" screen) to be mounted above the screen top, or below the screen bottom - typically by 13 to about 30 inches. The greater the lens shift range, the more suitable for those ceiling mounting, with higher ceilings as the projector won't have to hang down as far from the ceiling.

Shown above: BenQ W10000 (the W9000 looks exactly the same)

The difference in range, however between all of the projectors with lens shift, is probably not going to be a serious issue for most purchasers. For example, if someone comparing the Mitsubishi and Panasonic (13" above and 24.5" above respectively as the upper range), and will be ceiling mounting in a room with a higher ceiling 10 feet or more) , probably will choose to still buy the Mitsubishi (and let it hang down that extra foot), rather than buy the Panasonic, if they have determined in other critical areas, that the Mitsubishi is the better choice for them.

Horizontal lens shift. This is not an issue except for a very small segment of buyers. Most people have no problem setting up their projector so the lens is centered between the left and right side of the screen. For most, it's simply a convenience to have a little horizontal lens shift. This allows you to mount the projector a few inches off center, if there are reasons to do so. However, if your room calls for the projector being a foot or two off center, then it's time to look closely at the range of the horizontal lens shift. Shown above: Mitsubishi HC5000

Lens zoom and lens are best considered together, for the overall placement flexibility, and the field stacks up this way:

Excellent: Panasonic PT-AE1000U, Epson Home Cinema 1080, Epson Pro Cinema 1080, JVC RS-1, Sony Pearl.

Very good: Mitsubishi HC5000: A little less lens shift than most of those above, and also less zoom, but still extremely flexible. I'm almost ashamed to separate it out from the units above.

Good: BenQ W10000 and W90000: Having the lens shift is great, but the 1.15:1 zoom is limiting, and that narrow distance range will discourage shelf mounting for many people.

Fair: Optoma HD81. The Optoma is in a class by itself in terms of very limited flexibility. Still, if you are ceiling mounting, it probably will work in your room about as well as any of the others. Shown below: Optoma HD81 sitting on it's outboard processor box.

Note: I have not weighted horizontal lens shift into my listings, so if you do need to mount the projector offset to the left or right of center, you'll have to figure that back in.

Home Theater Projector Interfacing
How quickly things change. Above the Optoma HD81 was the most limited in physical positioning. In the area of interfacing, however, it is the king. None of the other projectors can match it.

Thanks to the outboard processor box, the HD81 is dripping with inputs. For openers, it is the only projector with 3 HDMI inputs - a huge plus for those not using an AV receiver with HDMI switching (and even then, most receivers have only had two in, one out. Below is a photo of the panel for the Optoma HD81's outboard processor:

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By comparison, the BenQ W9000 and W10000 have the least controls (the only projector with only one HDMI input):

Of particular note, the JVC RS1 is the only one of the projectors that lacks a direct way of hooking up a typical analog computer interface. There are workarounds, however, an external processor can convert it, or you could equip your computer with a digital graphics card that outputs HDMI. I recently purchased the RS1 for my own home theater, and will be sorting that out in the next few weeks, as I plan to end up with the ability to interface my laptop.

The Misubishi (shown immediately below) has an HDMI and a DVI-D input (the DVI-D is compatible with HDMI, you only need an adapter plug - you lose the audio that HDMI can carry, but that's a moot point, as the projector has no speakers.

Panasonic PT-AE1000U input panel:

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  For those planning on a motorized screen, some of these projectors have the 12v (volt) trigger for screen control. That means, however that you need a motorized screen with the 12v control option. There is another way of controlling the screen if you don't have a trigger. Instead, buy a screen with an infra-red or RF control, and use a programmable "universal" remote (that would control all your gear), to also control the screen. I should note, that the 12 volt trigger method adds one additional expense element: running cable from the screen to the projector. All of the rest of your wiring is from your equipment to the projector, so here is one wire coming from a different place, and therefore more wiring expense. Still, it is nice to know that a 12 volt trigger is there, but you can plan around not having one. Obviously, for those with fixed wall screens, or pulldown screens, a 12 volt trigger is a non-issue, and for those reasons, a screen trigger barely figures into my ratings.



Above is the Sony WV50 (Pearl), and to the immediate right, the input panel of, the Epson Home Cinema 1080:

  
Projector Interfacing Ratings:

Excellent: Optoma HD81

Very Good: Everyone else, except:

Good: JVC RS1 (for lack of a computer input), BenQ W9000 and W10000 (for only having a single HDMI)

OK, that pretty much covers the info about placement, and what input capabilities. For some of you, it has allowed you to eliminate one or more of these projectors. Afterall, no matter how good the image quality of a particular projector, if you can't place it in your room configuration, you have to cross it off the list. Of course that simplifies your final choice a bit.

One other thing worth mentioning - the physical size of the projectors. Of the nine, four are fairly small projectors, while five are definitely significantly. The small ones: Both Epson Cinema 1080s, the Mitsubishi HC5000, and the Optoma HD81. The large projectors: JVC DLA-RS1, Sony VW50 Pearl and the BenQ W9000 and W10000. The Panasonic PT-AE1000U is also fairly large, but not quite as large as the others.

Time to consider image quality of these 1080p projectors.
在对比了RS1(HD1), VW50, HC5000, W10000, AE1000, TW1000, HD81等众多1080P名机后Projectorreviews编者得出了与Projectorcentral较一致的结论:JVCRS1(HD1)是其中画质最出色的!

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发表于 2007-7-22 14:28 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 wonder88 于 2007-7-22 11:14 发表
如果JVC用0.7英寸720p等级D-LIA芯片(1280 x 720(像素大小:12微米,像素间隔:0.5微米,开口率:93%)。做成售价在二万以内原生对比度与HD-1一样(15000:1) 的720P机种,将会极具市场颠覆性!以它的无与伦比的色彩 ...


LCOS 比较容易做到高分辨率,降到 720P 估计成本并没有降多少,但是图象处理电路可能可以省
但 LCOS 致命的问题可能是产量和光学系统,1080P 的DLP 芯片良品率都很低,LCOS估计也高不了多少,而且LCOS都是三片式的
而LCOS的光学系统恐怕只有到激光光源真正应用了之后才能从根本上简化,所以 LCOS 近期内都不太可能普及的

LCOS 除了ANSI对比度不特别高之外,还有其他液晶本身固有的弱点,在全黑或纯色的情况下,画面不均匀、漏光,个别边缘
汇聚不准等,台湾 MyAV 还有玩家反映在个别情况下有拖影的现象
但话说回来,HD1的画面确实强,看过的无不中毒,明显胜过其他的对手。所以非常赞同前几天某玩家的论调,“HD1 是一个里程碑
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-7-22 15:26 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 ronaldinho 于 2007-7-22 14:28 发表


LCOS 比较容易做到高分辨率,降到 720P 估计成本并没有降多少,但是图象处理电路可能可以省
但 LCOS 致命的问题可能是产量和光学系统,1080P 的DLP 芯片良品率都很低,LCOS估计也高不了多少,而且LCOS都是 ...



看看三片式DLP的价格(多在十万以上)与三片式LCOS的价格(五万左右)差,你就知道LCOS芯片的良品率比DLP 芯片良品率要高多少倍了![s:97] [s:97]

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哦满好的.
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-7-22 19:26 | 显示全部楼层
以下是台湾投友家中实拍的HD1照片!

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-7-22 19:29 | 显示全部楼层
黑白分明是HD1的拿手好戏!
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